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this week. Okay we're in. ORD. O-R-D?

7:33

ORD Nebraska. Feels like they forgot

7:35

some letters but it's just ORD.

7:37

Well there's something military about that

7:39

isn't there? Yes there's a Fort

7:41

ORD also that we'll talk about

7:43

because that's involved briefly. One of

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our people in this station there.

7:48

ORD Nebraska, it's in central Nebraska. It's about

7:50

three hours and ten minutes to Omaha if

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you want to go to the east. It's

7:55

a bit of ways. A bit of ways in about

7:57

two hours and forty minutes to Wilbur, Nebraska which is

7:59

our last Nebraska. episode, the Flying

8:01

Vampire Tinder Date, which was, Nebraska

8:04

is crazy. We think of it as

8:07

this, you know, real buttoned up place

8:09

basically where everybody's just, you know, farming

8:11

and nodding to each other solemnly. They

8:13

kill each other in wild ways in

8:16

Nebraska. This is no exception, that story

8:18

or this one. This is in Valley

8:20

County, area code 308, and the

8:23

motto here, come home to

8:26

Ord. Come

8:29

home, because we have nothing else in Ord, I believe, is

8:31

the end of that, they're leaving off. Your

8:33

home, that's it. Your home, there it is. So get

8:36

comfortable because there's not much else to do. It's

8:38

like that old sign in front of a apartment

8:41

complex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you

8:43

lived here, you'd be home by now, that

8:45

bullshit. There it is. Yeah. I've

8:47

seen it maybe 20 times in my life and

8:49

every time I go, that's pretty

8:51

goddamn good. That's pretty good. I'd be like, I

8:53

could stop driving right now. That's pretty good. Do

8:55

you hate driving? If you lived here. Hate your

8:57

commute. Well, guess what? If you lived here. Do

9:00

you make it shorter? Little bit of history. Ord

9:02

was selected as county seat for

9:05

Valley County in 1873 and was

9:08

laid out the next year by the

9:10

Haskell brothers and

9:12

they had, and other people too, who had

9:14

purchased the land for the town site from

9:16

the Burlington and Missouri Railroad Company because they

9:18

owned everything at that time in the 1800s.

9:20

The town was laid out

9:24

by a surveyor in May of 1875. They actually did

9:26

this very planned. Proper.

9:31

It wasn't just like, oh, there's someone, oh, so

9:33

and so put a general store over there. I

9:35

guess that's Main Street. This was all mapped out.

9:38

The first building erected was the courthouse and

9:40

then a schoolhouse was built as well. The first

9:42

residence wasn't built until after the courthouse and the

9:45

schoolhouse were built. Is that right? So this was

9:47

not, this was a planned community. This was not,

9:49

you know, people came here and just spring up

9:51

and get rushed together. This is shit. Yeah. Shit.

9:54

We got a bunch of kids. We better build

9:56

a school. They were like, let's build a school.

9:58

If we build it, they will. come. What

10:01

are we gonna do with all the children? Wow. It's a

10:03

lot of confidence to think people are gonna go there enough

10:05

to build everything. In the 1950s,

10:08

the Evelyn Sharp Airport was built. It was

10:10

named after Evelyn Sharp who graduated from Ord

10:12

High School in 1937. She was

10:15

the youngest person in the United

10:17

States to earn a transport license

10:19

to fly a plane and flew

10:21

the first male plane into Ord.

10:24

Wow. So they named it after her.

10:26

She's a pilot. During World War II,

10:28

she enlisted in the service and transported

10:30

repaired planes from the west to the

10:33

east coast. She was killed taking off

10:35

from a Pennsylvania airport in 1944. So

10:38

not a great pilot. Well, yeah, apparently.

10:41

Medioc... Woman driver, everybody. Watch out, you know

10:43

what I mean? Jesus Christ. Fucking around. Yeah,

10:45

she's... I mean, she did a lot of

10:48

flying before that, I guess, during the war.

10:50

You know, they didn't say

10:53

one time in there that she's a pilot. Why

10:55

didn't they give her that label? She

10:57

was the youngest person. Why not? She earned a transport license.

10:59

I think that means you're a pilot, right? Yeah,

11:03

they didn't say. I think

11:05

you're... They didn't say first woman pilot. She wasn't

11:07

the first woman pilot. Oh.

11:09

She was the first... From... From... From... From... From...

11:11

From Florida. The youngest person to earn a transport

11:14

license to fly a plane. So I guess the

11:16

youngest woman, she's also the youngest man, who cares?

11:18

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's the youngest person. It's

11:21

impressive. Impressive shit. Reviews of

11:23

this town, five stars. Here

11:25

we go. Yeah. I love

11:27

the atmosphere and the fact

11:29

that everyone knows everyone else. God, people are

11:31

so jacked by that. They love

11:33

it. I love knowing everyone at Walmart. I... That's

11:36

a nightmare. Is that... Is that

11:38

just the human hubris that you need to be recognized

11:40

as something? A lot of people, they want to go

11:42

where everyone knows their name. You know what I mean?

11:44

It's the cheers effect. I need to be recognized for

11:47

who I am and what I do. I need to

11:49

walk in and have everyone go, norm. And then I

11:51

feel better, I guess. I don't know. He

11:54

said, I would like there to be

11:56

more restaurants and entertainment, such as movie

11:58

theaters, but otherwise, or... is a

12:00

great place to live. There isn't even

12:02

movie theaters. We'll get to that. We

12:04

haven't got there yet. Three stars. Ord

12:07

is a clean, healthy environment. Okay.

12:10

Clean and healthy. What is it? A

12:12

restaurant? With smiling, friendly

12:14

faces, every which way you turn.

12:16

Every which way. Every which way.

12:19

And loose. And loose. However,

12:21

just like any other town or

12:23

city, Ord has its downfalls. Many

12:25

of those downfalls include constant drama

12:27

between each class and town. They

12:30

don't mean school classes. They mean economic

12:32

classes. The pores are,

12:35

I don't know. If

12:38

one is of the lower class, they

12:40

are treated unfairly and looked at as

12:42

if they were nothing but pieces of

12:44

sand in the Pacific. You know, America,

12:46

you just described. That's every town,

12:48

city, fucking anything you can

12:50

imagine here. That's just called society.

12:53

Yeah. Sadly, the same goes for the school

12:55

system. Certain children are treated unfairly. When it

12:58

comes to safety, I would say Ord is

13:00

one of the safest places I've ever lived.

13:02

We'll be the judge of that. We have

13:04

stats. So, however, the hospital's a whole different

13:07

story. It comes down to the people once

13:09

again. The social system in Ord is not

13:11

right. Yeah, poor

13:13

people are treated badly, which is a common

13:15

problem. It sounds like it's

13:17

right on the nose with everywhere else.

13:20

Yeah, that's what I mean. Three stars,

13:22

Ord is a companionable environment. Companionable.

13:26

That's a... Wow, you really had to mash

13:28

some shit together to make that one. It's

13:30

a good companionable. It's a good companion. Friendable.

13:33

It's a good companion. Where

13:36

everyone knows everyone. It is a safe, family-friendly

13:38

place to grow up and raise a family.

13:40

If I had to change something about Ord,

13:42

it would be to include more nightlife. Well,

13:44

then it wouldn't be a small town that

13:46

you like. Then it would have crime and

13:48

all that, and more events that would make

13:50

Ord more appealing to be. I

13:53

would also add more activities for teens because Ord

13:55

currently has no place for teenagers to hang

13:57

out. That's actually not true because we'll talk

13:59

about a... where they do hang out in this

14:01

story. It's not set up, it's just a

14:03

field, but they hang out there. People

14:06

in this town, 2,049. There's

14:09

nobody here. That's why there's not gonna be a lot

14:11

of nightlife in a town of 2,000 people. I

14:15

need the Vegas strip in my town of 2,000. So

14:18

weird. There are more males than females here,

14:20

which is not normal in the country. It's

14:23

51% male. Median age is 43.

14:26

It's a few years older than the average, but about

14:28

right. 58%

14:30

married, which is above the usual 50-50.

14:34

Lower divorce rate and lower single

14:36

with children. So people get married

14:38

and stay married here, even if they

14:40

hate who they're married to. It's

14:43

96% white here, 0.6% black, 2.1% Hispanic. It's

14:49

a Nebraska farming town is exactly

14:51

what it is. The unemployment rate

14:53

here is extremely low. It's low in

14:55

the country right now, but it's 2.3% here. Holy.

15:00

Which is nothing. They're all working. Everyone

15:02

there is working. The median household income

15:04

though is low. Median household income here

15:06

is $51,694 a year. It

15:10

is about $69,000 in the rest of the country. So

15:13

that's not good. Luckily for these people though,

15:15

and I mean luckily, because that's a low

15:18

amount, the median home cost here, well the

15:20

cost of living overall, 100 is regular here,

15:22

it's 77. So

15:25

very affordable. Very affordable. Median home cost

15:27

here. Everybody ready for this one? It's

15:34

like 1982 prices. This

15:36

town is well behind. It's like top of

15:38

the line Ford F350

15:40

money. Yeah, there's trucks that

15:42

are more expensive than that. They have Dodge

15:44

trucks that are more expensive than that right now.

15:48

The fucking Hemi and all that. You can get a house or a truck. One of

15:50

the two. So if

15:52

we've convinced you to make a hard

15:55

decision between house and truck, we have

15:57

for you, the Ord Nebraska real estate

15:59

report. All

16:07

right, your average two bedroom rental here, and I don't

16:09

know how available those are, but they go for about

16:11

$800, which is about 400 below the national average, about

16:16

two thirds. Yeah. Here's a

16:18

three bedroom two bath, 1152 square feet. It's

16:23

a small little house, but it's very

16:25

nicely done on the inside. I was

16:27

clearly recently redone. Everything is very modern

16:29

and a nice little porch also. It's

16:32

a nice little house, $195,000 for it though. For

16:38

1152 on the square feet. It's not a big lot.

16:40

It's a little house next to other little houses. So

16:42

that seems like- Sub 200. It's

16:44

sub 200, which is not bad, but for around here,

16:47

it seems like you should be getting more for that.

16:49

Here's a three bedroom three bath, T-ball for each

16:51

and every B-hole everybody, 1,428 square

16:55

feet. It's a nice house. It

16:57

is a little bit dated on the inside. It's not

17:00

freshly redone like the last one. There is a

17:03

bedroom that's very purple, so you're definitely going to

17:05

have to put a few coats over that

17:07

to cover it up, especially if you're doing

17:09

a lighter color because it's- Kids love purple

17:11

now though. Yeah. You just know

17:13

that they had a teenage daughter and they were like, just

17:16

fine, paint it purple. And then when they go to sell

17:18

it 10 years later, they're like, fuck. I'd

17:20

call her back from wherever she was and have her repaint

17:22

this now. Yeah. You can

17:24

paint- Remember that room you wanted to paint

17:26

purple? Yeah. Guess what? Get

17:29

your brushes and your fucking rollers and get back here for the weekend. Come on,

17:31

I'm selling this piece of shit. You got a whole lot of rolling to do.

17:34

$250,000 for that house. Okay.

17:37

Again, not bad. How much acreage? None.

17:40

None. It's less than half an acre.

17:42

Then here is a two bedroom, two baths, so technically T-ball for

17:44

all your B-holes on that one too. 2,228 square

17:46

feet. Wow.

17:49

So, decent sized house. That's a lot of

17:51

house for only two bedrooms. Two bedrooms. That's

17:53

a lot of living space. It's

17:56

fine. It's kind of cool.

17:58

It has a couple of stained glass windows. are kind

18:00

of cool with some colors in them

18:02

and it's fine nothing spectacular and it's

18:05

three hundred ninety nine thousand dollars. And

18:08

again it's like a half acre it's nothing major

18:11

it's like a decent sized yard it's very

18:13

strange so. They're going on square footage price

18:15

right? I think so and I think they're

18:17

trying to maybe stay looked and saw that

18:19

home prices are up so they're like fuck

18:21

it I'll try to sell mine as much

18:23

as we can get yeah. Things

18:26

to do here we have the North

18:28

Lope or Loop I don't know

18:30

L-O-U-P L-I-Lope I

18:33

don't know popcorn days.

18:36

It says welcome to popcorn days a

18:38

North Loop tradition since nineteen oh one

18:41

nestled in the heart of central Nebraska

18:43

popcorn days attracts families from across the

18:46

Midwest to a weekend of

18:48

games carnivals and great adventure. Is

18:50

there popcorn? Yeah

18:53

no there's the popcorn. Also what's the fucking

18:55

adventure do we got a search for the

18:57

popcorn? He can join us for team penning

19:00

what is that? Is that getting animals in a

19:02

pen? It sounds like it. Or

19:04

is it just is it a version of pegging that they're

19:07

not going to tell us about? Team

19:09

penning. Get him down. Competition

19:12

calligraphy. Yeah hold his legs he ain't

19:15

gonna lack it so you're gonna have to hold him

19:17

Jesus. He didn't

19:19

ask for this. So one

19:21

way or another somebody's getting roped I think.

19:23

Yeah team penning and sorting I guess that's

19:25

animals. Kids games

19:27

a quote juvenile parade which

19:29

sounds like. It

19:33

sounds like criminal like juvenile delinquent criminals

19:35

right like they got up out of the either

19:39

that or it's a weird sexual thing I'm not sure.

19:43

Juvenile a men's slow pitch softball

19:45

tournament this sounds like what Chevy

19:47

Chase went to in funny farm.

19:49

Yeah it's exactly that. Really did

19:51

sand volleyball not beach just sand.

19:54

It's Nebraska. It's landlocked. Fuck

19:56

you all get it. We brought in some sand but

19:58

we couldn't get an ocean. for you, sorry. And

20:01

then it ends the weekend

20:03

with the area's largest parade.

20:05

There you go. So

20:08

that's the whole thing. And

20:10

then there's Fort Hartstuf's, Fort

20:12

Hart-Suff, not stuff, Hart-Suff,

20:15

Fort Hart-Suff, Hart-Suff's 150th anniversary. And

20:17

in 1874, US military soldiers hired

20:23

civilian workers and they began construction

20:25

on an infantry outpost at the

20:28

edge of Nebraska Sandhills, which is

20:30

there. 150 years later, the original

20:32

and reconstructed building stand is one

20:34

of the most complete examples of

20:36

forts from the Plains Indian Wars. They've

20:39

kept it there. With lime

20:41

and concrete buildings, wide verandas and white

20:44

picket fences, Fort Hart-Stuff has been called one of

20:46

the prettiest posts on the plane and they are

20:48

going to have all sorts of stuff. Here's the

20:50

schedule. Oh baby. At

20:53

10.30 AM, Dr. Gene

20:55

Lukasz presents Trooper, Trooper

21:01

Lee Herron and Fort Hart-Stuff,

21:03

for Hart-Suff, keep messing that

21:05

up, Hart-Suff. You

21:07

want it to be Hart-Stuff so bad. I want it

21:09

to be Hart-Stuff, I really do. And then

21:12

at the same time at 10.30, I

21:14

don't know how you do these at

21:16

the same time, but how are you

21:18

going to watch Dr. Gene Lukasz when

21:20

you're distracted by the kids' military drill

21:22

at 10.30 AM? What the

21:24

hell? That's weirder than the juvenile parade. I

21:26

don't like that at all. JROTC

21:29

stuff frightens me. Super.

21:32

Creepy. 16-year-old kids super into guns and

21:34

shit. It's like, calm down, Junior. Just

21:38

pick up a book or something. Stop it.

21:40

Strange. A noon, Alan Bartles

21:42

presents 100 Things to

21:44

Do in the Sandhills Before You Die. Okay.

21:47

Which would be stare at them, I think. I

21:49

don't think there's a lot much more going on there.

21:51

Drive through. What else do you

21:54

do with them? Kimberly Burazuk presents

21:56

Daughters of Mars, Women with

21:58

the Frontier Army, 8-0. 1870 after that. Yeah.

22:03

Oh, that's going to be a lot of fun. Humanities

22:06

of Nebraska presents Jeff Barnes, Forts

22:08

of Nebraska. This sounds like

22:10

a really exciting... Oh my God.

22:13

At 9 p.m., we're going to have

22:15

an artillery demonstration slash night shoot. Let's

22:19

check out some artillery that day. Shoot guns

22:21

in the dark, guys. Fucking

22:23

crazy. And then they pretty

22:26

much double that up the next day,

22:28

except they add Gary Wells presenting the

22:30

early military occupation of the North Loop

22:32

Valley. We want to bet

22:34

somebody was conceived at this place. Oh, for

22:36

sure. Somebody got real hot in

22:38

here. You know, they're like, man, that juvenile parade

22:40

and the fucking kids' military thing

22:42

got me hot. Hot, hot. My

22:45

God. So crime rate in this town, what we are

22:47

interested in here, property crime is

22:49

about half the national average. So

22:52

nobody's stealing shit. And then violent crime, murder,

22:54

rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount

22:57

Rushmore of crime is about one third of

22:59

the national average. So two thirds below. It's

23:01

very safe here. It is the middle of

23:03

nowhere. There's 2,000 people and all of them

23:06

know each other. So it's hard

23:08

to get away with crime, you know? Everybody's

23:10

just looking forward to that festival next year. That's

23:12

out there. Man, I can't wait to get my kid.

23:14

I've got him drilling out in the backyard. He's been

23:16

marching back and forth. So that

23:18

said, let's talk about a murder and some

23:22

very crazy shit. All right. Let's

23:24

start out with a young lady here. Katherine

23:26

Beard. And Beard, like on your face.

23:30

Beard, Katherine's her name. She goes by Kathy with

23:32

a C, by the way. She's

23:34

born in 1958 and

23:37

she was born and raised in Ord. She's

23:39

an Ord girl from the start. Born

23:42

and raised in this town, this tiny

23:44

town, and she will live here her

23:46

entire life. Wow. Which

23:49

is wild. Yes,

23:51

her father, William, is

23:54

going to die in about 1985. Her

23:57

father and mother had moved there in 1946. to

24:00

ORD and then she has

24:02

two brothers and a sister and Katherine

24:04

as well. So

24:07

that's how that goes. Or two sisters, I'm

24:09

sorry, two brothers and two sisters. There's five

24:11

kids total. She's the fifth. Wow. Yeah,

24:14

five total. And she went to ORD

24:16

public schools and it says

24:18

through her sophomore year. So I'm going to assume

24:20

she dropped out after the 10th grade. That

24:23

sounds about right here because she's going to

24:25

be like a part-time small bar waitress is

24:27

what she does for a living. She's

24:30

going to stay in town. What the fuck does she need us to be

24:32

ready for? Yeah, she,

24:35

I guess in the around

24:37

1980 or so, she

24:39

couldn't take it anymore and she moved to Lincoln

24:41

for a year. She's like, I'm going to the

24:43

big city of Lincoln, baby. Oh

24:46

man, Perkins as far as the eye can see there,

24:48

buddy. Can't wait for that shit. And

24:50

boy, can you see far. Yeah. She

24:54

couldn't find work there partially because

24:56

she has a 10th grade education, which doesn't

24:58

help if you come out of like the

25:00

sand hills of some small town of 2000

25:03

people with a 10th grade education. You're

25:06

not really burning up the job market probably

25:08

at that point. In a

25:10

three, three letter town. Yeah. She

25:13

couldn't even get a four, couldn't afford a fourth letter over there.

25:16

She's not exactly fending off job offers here when

25:18

she goes to town. So she ends up coming

25:20

home after she can't find work. So she's

25:22

there very briefly and then moves home. That's her

25:24

only attempt of leaving ORD in her whole

25:26

life. Really? Yep. I

25:30

mean, that's pretty fucking demoralizing. She's like

25:32

21, 22. Moved to Lincoln and can't

25:34

make it? Yep. Like

25:36

fuck. What chance do I have? That was the

25:38

big city. So she moved back and like I

25:41

said, her dad died in 1985 and

25:43

then her mom was getting old. So

25:45

she was living with her mother at 2121

25:47

L Street in ORD here. And

25:53

basically she does the like household

25:55

chores her mother can't get around

25:57

to doing because of physicality issues

25:59

like the. Laundry and gardens for her

26:01

and does all that kind of shit and

26:03

then she works part-time as well and we'll talk about that

26:06

She's small. She's five two hundred pounds brown

26:09

hair hazel eyes she's

26:12

pretty and Yeah,

26:14

she's pretty smart too. Actually. So at school

26:16

was probably not it wasn't cuz she's an

26:18

idiot at all It's just cuz you know,

26:20

I had problems in school too happens. She

26:23

likes to write poetry as well Oh,

26:26

she's an artsy gal. She's into writing poetry, but

26:28

no other artsy stuff I can see except poetry

26:30

Yeah, so she seems like the

26:33

type that probably drew horses on her folders

26:35

You know what I mean and then writes poetry

26:38

and you know that girl you remember that sure

26:40

so she does that So

26:42

she's living there through the 80s at

26:44

about 1989. She's still single, but she

26:46

has a boyfriend. She's never been married

26:48

she has a boyfriend they don't live together she still

26:50

lives with her mother in the same house and You

26:53

know, she's got brothers and sister-in-laws and all that

26:56

kind of thing her one. What is

26:58

it her brow? It's her brother's wife's

27:01

brother I Believe

27:03

brother-in-law is it's a brother-in-law. I was trying to

27:05

figure out how it was her brother-in-law though is

27:08

the chief of police here in Ord It's

27:11

gonna be the chief of police. His name is

27:13

Kirby. So that's part of this too that this

27:15

first name this No, his last name is curvy.

27:17

So that's part of this stew here. So

27:20

she's got a boyfriend like I said Her

27:23

job. Okay. She works

27:25

at the someplace else Tavern.

27:28

That's the name of it Which is just

27:30

gonna say you know that is just people going,

27:32

you know when people leave somewhere they go you

27:34

want to go someplace else Yeah,

27:37

that's what they say. So we're the someplace

27:39

else. It's kind of brilliant actually is a

27:41

name I love when bars

27:43

do that. I like when they call them when they

27:46

call themselves the gym. I enjoy that Guys

27:49

tell their wives that's all that is that's

27:51

why they call the strip club the library

27:53

and they call it Yeah, that's that's why

27:55

they do that. Go to the library. Yeah,

27:57

I think it's fascinating. It is fascinating. So

27:59

these someplace else Everyone in town knows

28:01

what someplace else is, because it's the bar.

28:04

And it seems like a main gathering

28:06

spot for this town, where people go.

28:08

She works as a part-time waitress there. That's

28:11

her job. So she doesn't seem to have

28:13

a ton of ambition, Cathy. And

28:16

there's no dream of anything else. She doesn't talk

28:18

about she's trying to open her own business, or

28:20

she's trying to save up money to go somewhere,

28:22

or she's going back to school. She

28:25

just works part-time and takes care of her mom, and that's

28:27

that. But she's in her 20s. She's 31 at this point

28:29

by 89. OK, well, yeah. Once

28:31

you hit 30, you got to go, is this what

28:33

I'm at, part-time waitress forever? At

28:36

this point. She is figuring out how to,

28:38

about 401k, retirement. Social

28:42

Security is not going to cut it for whatever

28:44

she's chipping into this. At this point, it feels like

28:46

her, it

28:49

seems to be her plan is to wait till her mom

28:51

dies and then live in that house, because being a part-time

28:53

waitress, I don't know how else you're going to, you're not

28:55

going to buy a house or anything. And

28:58

there's nothing technically, fuck, I'd

29:01

have loved that life if I had my ambition to do

29:03

anything else. It's fine, yeah. That'd be great. Yeah, I'd just

29:05

start worrying at 31. I'd start going, I

29:07

need health insurance. You know what I mean? Dude,

29:09

I got an uncle that's almost 60, and

29:12

he's got nothing, dude. No plenty

29:14

of people like that. So

29:16

Charlene Whitefoot, who has known

29:19

Beard for 10 years, describes

29:21

her as a friendly, outgoing person

29:23

who would never hurt anyone. She

29:26

likes to hang out even on her nights off

29:28

at the someplace else. Hell yeah.

29:31

This is Kathy. So this is the social

29:33

center of the town. She

29:35

enjoys playing pool and cards also. This is

29:37

what I mean, they just hang out there.

29:39

And a dice game called Zilch, which I

29:42

don't know what that is. I

29:44

don't know that one. I've never heard that

29:46

one. She also likes country music and dancing.

29:49

She likes country music and line dancing and all that

29:51

kind of shit. Also

29:54

loves watching TV. Her favorite shows

29:56

as of 1989, late 80s, are Dynasty. which

30:00

a lot of the ladies liked. And if I gave

30:04

you a hundred guesses, you'd never fucking guessed what

30:06

your second show is after a person's dynasty. Is

30:08

it Cagney and Lacey? No, no, no, that's what

30:10

I mean. You'd guess that, you'd guess like, you

30:12

know, those kinds of shows. Nope, Perfect Strangers. No,

30:15

Perfect Strangers. Oh yes, great show. Not

30:17

Kate and Ally or anything like that.

30:20

No, Balkey Bartokomos and his cousin Larry

30:22

Apliton, as he would say. I

30:26

think I've said this before. Balcon Larry. My

30:28

cousin Jesse and I chased Mark

30:30

Lynn Baker, who was cousin Larry. He is from, he's

30:32

from Poughkeepsie and he went to Vassar College and everything.

30:34

So he's around Poughkeepsie a lot, this guy growing up.

30:36

Still gotta be there, right? Like, yeah, I remember my

30:38

mother brought me home an autograph when he was on

30:40

TV. Like she saw him at a bar one night

30:43

and gave me an autograph. But we chased his ass

30:45

down in the Poughkeepsie Galleria. We saw him from like

30:47

fucking 40. We were knocking people out. We were like

30:49

10, it was like 1988. We're

30:51

knocking people the fuck over. What were you guys gonna

30:54

do if you caught him? We caught him, we fucking

30:56

caught him. Just

30:58

as he opened the one door to go through

31:00

the two sets of doors, we

31:02

grabbed him by the jacket and said,

31:04

cousin Larry, cousin Larry. And

31:08

he turned around terrified and then saw we were kids

31:10

and we were like, we, you're really funny. Can we

31:12

have your autograph and stuff? And he was like, okay,

31:14

sure. What happened to

31:16

him? Where's he at? No, that's not where

31:18

the fuck is Mark Lynn Baker. He was

31:21

funny. He should be thrilled about that interaction

31:23

because nobody's looking for you, Mark. Sadly, I'm

31:25

more famous than him now. And that is

31:27

disturbing because we're not famous. I

31:30

didn't know it's not. That's what I mean. That's

31:34

sad because he was funny. Oh, that's

31:36

so bad. Anybody who runs into Mark Lynn

31:38

Baker, tell him we got his back. Holy

31:41

shit, he kind of looks like, Jesus,

31:45

he looks bad, man. He doesn't look like he would

31:47

age well because he had those cheeks. No, yeah. He

31:50

looks like, he grew like gray sideburns.

31:52

He looks like a fucking old Western. Cool.

31:56

Fucking cowboy. Put him in Yellowstone or something. What

31:58

are we doing? Yeah. Let's get

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34:46

May 31st, 1989. It

34:50

is Kathy's night off. Brooklyn Baker is nowhere to

34:52

be seen. And

34:56

she heads to the bar anyway to go hang out even

34:58

though it's her night off. There's nothing else to do, I feel

35:00

like, in this town. There isn't even a fucking movie theater. What

35:02

are you doing? You're probably right.

35:04

She's wearing faded blue jeans, a

35:06

white fuzzy sweater with pink and

35:08

gray horizontal stripes, which it's May

35:11

31st. She's wearing a sweater. That's...

35:13

Oh, shit. And tennis shoes. A little

35:16

cold still? I guess. It

35:18

must be... I don't know. Maybe it's cool in

35:20

there. Tennis shoes, sneakers, a

35:22

watch, a turquoise ring, and a

35:25

friendship ring. I'm not

35:27

sure what that is, but a friendship ring. In

35:29

the 80s, is it one of those nylon ones with

35:32

the speckles all over it? You know what I'm talking

35:34

about? Like a bracelet? No. Those

35:36

bright... They were bright yellow, bright green, bright

35:39

pink, bright orange, but they had neon colors on them with

35:41

the black snow. Oh, yeah. I don't remember. You know what

35:43

I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I

35:45

remember that, but I don't know. They did have the bracelet

35:47

that was like slip-slidey to Titan. You know what I'm talking

35:49

about? So then people would make the friendship bracelets, and they'd

35:51

be like out of the little yarn and all that shit,

35:54

because that was the big deal when we were kids. A

35:56

girl would just give that to you, and you'd be like,

35:58

okay, and then you'd have to wear it. I

36:00

don't know what the fuck she's into. So

36:03

it's about 7.30 p.m. She's

36:05

been hanging out in the evening. So she goes

36:07

there early. This isn't like it's 9.30, I'm going

36:09

out. She's spending her evening there, hanging out with

36:11

friends and talking. And

36:14

at about 7.30, she leaves her keys, her

36:18

cigarettes, and her coat in the bar, and

36:21

steps outside to talk to somebody. And

36:24

it's a 23-year-old man named John Oldson who

36:27

she goes out to talk to. And

36:29

we don't know what it is too, because if you've ever

36:31

hung out at a bar, if you leave your shit and

36:33

go out the back door, it might be, hey, you want

36:35

to go out and smoke a joint quick, you know what

36:37

I mean? That's like the usual out the back door type

36:39

of thing. So, because you can smoke

36:42

in bars, obviously. And a little town like this, it

36:44

could be him saying, hey, my friend Frank thinks you're

36:46

pretty good at this. Wants to fucking plow you, yeah.

36:48

So he, now,

36:50

the other thing is, he's

36:53

known, he's younger than her,

36:55

but he's known her basically his whole life.

36:57

And he's been trying to fuck her for

36:59

years now. Of course. He try

37:01

every once in a while, he takes a run at her,

37:03

and she goes, no, and he goes, all right. Yeah, it's

37:05

one of those, yeah. Yeah, tell her. Now,

37:09

a man said he saw Kathy get into

37:11

the pickup truck with this man, this man's

37:13

pickup truck with John. But a person was

37:15

sitting inside the truck, but the man did

37:17

not know if that person was a man

37:20

or a woman. So, this person

37:22

just saw her get into a truck with

37:24

another figure, had no idea who, what,

37:26

when, or how. So, it's

37:29

a dark colored pickup truck parked in the alley

37:31

behind the someplace else tavern. So if she went

37:33

out the back door, that's where it would have

37:35

been in the alley. It's

37:37

described as being about seven or eight years

37:40

old with Loop County license plates, and

37:42

they are identified by the number 88 on them. They

37:45

have the county numbers, they have them numbered by

37:47

county in Nebraska. That's a thing in Nebraska. So,

37:51

they got a partial

37:54

license plate number of the truck, but a

37:56

later check of any truck anywhere will fail

37:58

to bring up anything that matches. is this. So

38:01

they didn't know what to do. So

38:04

they put, she never comes back in

38:06

the bar. She leaves her cigarettes, leaves her keys,

38:08

leaves her coat, leaves all her shit,

38:10

walks out the back door with this guy and

38:13

she's just gone. But we don't know if she

38:15

left with this guy, if she left whose truck

38:17

this was or anything like that. She's just gone.

38:20

And that

38:22

night people are like, hey, where'd Kathy go? All her shit's

38:24

here. But it's not, they didn't

38:26

know if she just like went to go do something

38:28

and then got distracted or... Yeah, and she works here.

38:30

She'll be back for this stuff. That's

38:33

it. But it's like to leave your cigarettes and

38:35

your cigarettes. If you're a smoker and you're leaving

38:37

for more than 20 minutes, you're

38:39

taking your cigarettes with you. That's just the way

38:41

it works. Unless there's cigarettes on the way. Yeah.

38:43

Yeah. You're going to have yours though. You know

38:46

what I mean? Smokers have their cigarettes on them.

38:48

So they said at that point,

38:51

somebody called the police and said she's

38:53

gone, the owner

38:55

of the bar. And they said they

38:57

didn't know where to look. The cop said, if we had

38:59

any idea of where to search, we would search, but we

39:01

don't have a focal point. A search at this point would

39:03

be random. Like we don't even know what we're looking for.

39:06

So we don't even know if she just went and hung

39:08

out and spent the night at somebody's house or something. We

39:10

have no idea. So

39:12

all we know is she was sitting at

39:14

the end of the bar on a bar

39:16

stool that night, said Kay

39:19

Shafer, who co-owned the bar. She said

39:21

that Kathy went toward the bathroom.

39:23

That's what she saw, which is toward the

39:25

back door and never came back. And

39:28

she said, I think it's the most

39:31

ridiculous, unheard of thing. It's like she

39:33

just vanished. Like

39:35

she went to the bathroom, never came back and

39:38

never seen from these people again.

39:40

Now she does have a boyfriend. Yeah.

39:43

So right away they'd like to talk to the boyfriend

39:45

to see if A, she went to his house or

39:47

B, is she pissed

39:49

off that she hangs out at the bar all the times?

39:51

What's his deal? What's

39:55

the situation there? Because obviously when there's a woman

39:57

missing, we're going to go, we're going to check.

40:00

Who is she fucking? Who did she fuck before this?

40:02

And who has been trying to fuck her? That's what

40:04

we're looking at. Because that's who

40:06

men kill, generally. Yeah. You go

40:08

to the Wikipedia page and find the successor on the predecessor.

40:10

That's it. There you go. Oh, she was married. Is that

40:12

72 to 478? There it is. So

40:17

the Ord police chief, John

40:19

Young, who's the police chief at this point

40:21

in time, later on it'll be somebody else,

40:25

he said that she had a boyfriend

40:27

in Fremont, and they

40:29

said that the boyfriend, they talked to him, he seemed

40:31

to be telling the truth, and he does not know where

40:33

the hell she is. He

40:35

said he didn't hear from her, and he

40:38

doesn't know. He knew she was going there that night, and that

40:40

was it. That's the last he heard from her, too. There's no

40:42

cell phones, so he's not like they're texting back and forth. So

40:45

they're like, okay, let's figure out this truck. Maybe the

40:47

truck is the key to finding out where she went,

40:49

right? So there's no description

40:51

of a driver available, but they said

40:54

the truck was seen getting

40:56

into ... The truck she was

40:58

seeing getting into is thought to

41:00

be quote, semi-local from the Loop

41:03

Garfield Wheeler County area. So somewhere

41:05

around us within a couple hours.

41:08

It wasn't Georgia plates or something.

41:10

They said, the witness

41:12

stated the pickup truck had 88 county

41:14

plates. We're checking into this, but we feel he

41:17

may have been an error on the second digit,

41:19

and it may have been a three. 88

41:21

is Loop County. 83 is Garfield County.

41:26

So they said people tend to pick up

41:28

on vehicle license plates from a great distance

41:30

away, so it's thought that the pickup might

41:32

be from the area. And they

41:34

added that Beard probably was with someone

41:36

she knew, and they said

41:38

we don't feel she would have got in a car with

41:40

someone she didn't know, just based on her

41:42

character and talking to people. Then you

41:45

don't get into somebody else's car when you're leaving all

41:47

your shit in the car. That's what's so weird. Yeah,

41:49

you're going outside for two minutes if you're doing that.

41:51

You're not going out there for the whole day. And

41:53

this is back when you could smoke anywhere, so you

41:55

shouldn't have to go outside to have a cigarette. No,

41:57

exactly. You went outside for a specific reason. Specific reason.

42:00

reason. Someone called her out to talk to

42:02

her or whatever. So the first guy they

42:04

want to talk to is the guy that

42:06

she was seen with outside the bar and

42:08

seen talking to at the bar that night.

42:10

And that is John Oldson, O-L-D-S-O-N,

42:13

old son. John

42:15

R. Oldson, he's born in about 1966, known

42:19

Cathy his whole life. A little bit

42:21

about him, his family moved to Ord in 1967. So right when

42:25

he was a kid and he's grown up here

42:27

too. His father is Dick Oldson and

42:32

his mother's name is Anne and they got

42:34

divorced. His mom lives in Reno now. I

42:37

guess when he was a teenager, John's

42:39

custody was transferred from his father to

42:41

his mother and he didn't like his

42:44

mother. Really? Yeah, didn't

42:46

get along with his mother. He

42:48

moved instead to a boy's home

42:50

called St. Francis Academy. So to

42:52

not... He's got parents. He's got

42:55

two parents and step-parents and he's in a

42:57

boy's home. My God. Which

42:59

is fucking wild. That's how much he didn't like his

43:01

mother. As we'll find

43:03

out through this episode, he's got some

43:05

issues with women, boy. And it started

43:07

with his mom, I feel like. This

43:10

is it, yeah. That was in October

43:12

1981. He stayed there until June 1983

43:14

and graduated from Ord High School in

43:16

May of 1984. So

43:19

he's not a troubled kid ever. Doesn't get

43:21

in trouble or anything like that. He

43:24

is diagnosed at the St.

43:26

Francis Academy as socially regressed

43:28

and socially dysfunctional. Regressed.

43:31

Regressed. So I guess at a

43:34

younger age and he's behind the other kids

43:36

and dysfunctional socially as well there. But they've

43:38

never had a romantic relationship. Like I said,

43:41

he's taking his shots and she always shoots

43:43

them down. They,

43:45

Kittenger and Hopps, we'll

43:47

say later that Oldson went over to talk

43:49

with Kathy almost immediately upon them arriving at

43:51

the bar. So Kathy's been

43:54

at the bar when she takes off at 7 30. She's

43:56

been there for a couple hours or any because they got

43:58

there at five o'clock and he made the call. to be

44:00

lying right to her. People also

44:02

reported that Oldson

44:04

and Kathy went to stand close

44:06

together near the jukebox and the

44:09

pool table, and they

44:11

said at some point, Oldson had his

44:13

hand or arm on Kathy's shoulder. So

44:16

they were getting along, is what they're saying here.

44:18

Yeah, and he's getting familiar. He's getting familiar, and

44:20

she isn't the type to let a guy have

44:22

her hand on her shoulder if she didn't want

44:24

it there. She is definitely the type to go,

44:26

fuck off me. And especially, she's at her job.

44:30

You know what I mean? So she's... Or

44:32

maybe she's a little more casual with

44:35

allowance there because she feels

44:37

comfortable there, and she knows that she's safe

44:39

in that building. She's not afraid of him,

44:41

is what I mean. She's not anything like

44:43

that here. Hops said that

44:45

Oldson asked his father for the keys to

44:48

the pickup truck at one point. Now,

44:50

several people saw Oldson and Kathy walk out

44:53

of the bar, through the back door, into

44:55

the back alley. I

44:57

guess they said that was around 6.30, but

44:59

I've heard other people say 7.30, so it's

45:02

strange here. No one ever

45:04

saw either one of them return to the tavern

45:06

that night. And then Kathy

45:08

was just gone. So

45:10

she not only left her cigarettes jacket,

45:13

house key, and umbrella at the bar,

45:15

but also Kathy left a half-finished drink

45:17

on the bar. If

45:20

you think you're gonna be gone for more than a

45:22

minute, you're gonna down that fucking drink and you're gonna

45:24

grab your cigarettes. That's just how a drinker and smoker

45:26

operates. That's how it works. So

45:28

she left that there. And

45:30

when Kathy's sister later checked Kathy's room

45:33

in the house where she lived with

45:35

her mother, she found that Kathy's belongings

45:37

are undisturbed. She didn't pack a bag.

45:40

It's not like she had a suitcase going and all of her

45:42

clothes, you know, shit's taken out of her dresser drawers. It

45:44

looks just like it always does. So they're like, okay. Now,

45:47

when Oldson walked out the door with

45:49

Kathy asking for the truck keys, Oldson's

45:52

father, Kittenger and Hopps, the three work

45:54

crew guys there, two work crew guys

45:56

and his father, waited for a

45:58

while for him to raise. return to

46:00

give them a fucking ride because they all drove there together.

46:03

Yeah. But he never came back. He

46:06

just left his dad and these workers at the bar.

46:08

They never came back. So

46:10

Oldson's father and Kittenger walked.

46:14

They had to walk after

46:16

a day of bricklaying and drinking. Now they have

46:18

to walk home from the bar and

46:20

he left his dad. He left his

46:22

dad's truck. He took all the tools,

46:24

everything. Bye. So

46:27

they walked back to Oldson's father's

46:29

house. Kittenger said that he and

46:31

Oldson's father arrived at Oldson's father's

46:33

house about an hour after

46:36

they saw John and Kathy

46:38

leave together out of the bar. Um,

46:41

Oldson's father said that he and

46:43

Kittenger left the tavern about 30

46:45

minutes after Oldson as well. It

46:47

takes about 15 minutes to walk

46:49

from the someplace else tavern to Oldson's

46:52

father's house. It's about a 15 minute

46:54

walk. So when Oldson's

46:56

father, so they left then a

46:58

half hour later, they leave the bar and it takes

47:00

about 15 minutes. So they should have gotten home about

47:02

45 minutes after John

47:05

and Kathy walked out of the back of the bar. That's

47:07

what we're saying here just to give you everybody a timeline

47:09

because it's important. So when they arrived

47:11

at the house, Oldson's father and Kittenger, Oldson

47:14

was on his way out of the house.

47:17

Oh, he's coming out. Hopefully you're coming to pick us

47:19

up. You asshole. Is that what you were doing? There

47:21

you are. Yeah. Thanks a lot. He

47:24

appeared freshly showered, wet hair, you

47:26

know, smelling good, new clothes. Um,

47:29

so Kittenger asked Olson if he had gotten lucky. Hey,

47:31

did you get lucky? Is that why you left? And

47:34

he said, no, I didn't know that didn't happen.

47:36

He's like, Oh damn. Instead, according to

47:38

Kittenger, Oldson told him that quote, two guys

47:40

had hustled her away from him in a

47:42

pickup. He's like, I was trying to hook

47:44

up with that one chick that works there,

47:46

but two dudes ended up fucking taking her from

47:48

me basically and getting in a truck and leaving. Okay.

47:52

Now, Roger McCartney, he's the

47:54

guy paying for the brickwork. Um,

47:56

he said that one evening after he got

47:58

home from work, anywhere. between 6.30 and

48:01

7 p.m. he tried to call Olson's

48:03

father at home but reached Olson instead

48:06

and he said that he had concerns about the

48:08

brickwork. He said this is the only time he

48:11

called the Olson house ever and

48:13

Roger didn't recall the specific date of the call

48:15

but he said it might have been on May

48:17

31st. That's possible.

48:20

So he said he could talk to an

48:22

investigator that week and in the report the

48:24

officer reported that Roger said he made the

48:27

telephone call at 7.30 to 8.30 on

48:29

May 31st. So that

48:32

kind of just throws the timeline off a little

48:34

bit and he talked to John and

48:36

he was there. Now back at

48:38

the someplace else here

48:40

to go someplace else, Charlene Whitefoot,

48:42

the employee there that works there,

48:45

she's the one who discovered that Kathy's stuff

48:47

is still on the bar and she called

48:50

Olson at his father's home because she saw

48:52

them together. So she was like hey where the

48:54

fuck did you see Kathy? She said she called

48:56

it about 1030 p.m. that

48:58

night. That's when she spoke to

49:00

John on the phone and when Whitefoot asked

49:03

Olson if he had seen Kathy, John

49:05

Olson said he was just getting

49:07

out of the bathtub. This guy

49:09

is a clean son of a bitch and

49:12

he indicated that he had no idea where

49:14

Kathy was and that's when

49:16

Whitefoot and the owner reported Kathy is

49:18

missing. The 1030 at night

49:20

three hours after she walked out of the back door

49:22

she's missing. Jesus, never report

49:24

me missing that quickly. No?

49:27

No, I could wander off for two

49:29

days and just never report me

49:31

missing that quickly. Give me a

49:33

give me a week before you report it to anyone.

49:36

If the last person that you were hanging out

49:38

with is taking a bath at 1030 p.m. I'm

49:40

calling the police still. Never

49:42

did. But that would be normal if he's

49:44

a guy who works in the morning maybe

49:46

he's taking a bath. I'll take a bath

49:48

in Saturday

49:50

afternoon. Saturday afternoon? I don't

49:53

know just like a Victorian woman. What

49:55

the who the fuck takes baths on

49:57

a Saturday afternoon? That's the most leisurely...

50:01

They're not 1030 at night, but I

50:03

mean if he's a guy if he's a bath

50:05

not shower guy Yeah, yeah, is

50:08

that a guy? All right, you're hanging out

50:10

with a bath not shower guy. I'm calling the

50:12

police you know, I mean fucking if you're a

50:14

bath not shower guy and That

50:16

would be when you would take a bath

50:18

so you could be ready for work the

50:21

next morning I guess that's wild makes sense.

50:23

I suppose but the bigger question

50:25

is why is a grown man taking a bath? So

50:30

they're common I take them but they're like

50:34

You know, I mean they're it's me pampering myself

50:36

and being like fucking let's have a bottle of

50:38

wine in a bath You know, I mean, it's

50:40

not all the time Yeah,

50:42

it's not an every night thing. It's just

50:45

on Saturday afternoons apparently Afternoon

50:54

I'm calling if anyone's taking an afternoon bathroom

50:56

calling the cops. That's crazy You

50:59

think it's weird for him to take a bath at 1030

51:01

when you're sitting here at 3 30 in the afternoon

51:04

Shit hammered in a tub. What is wrong with you? Credit

51:08

it sounds phenomenal. I'm not gonna lie.

51:10

It's not a bad thing. I'm not

51:12

gonna not disparaging you now The

51:15

thing they also come up with is there's a

51:18

robbery that night in the area and they wonder

51:20

if this has anything to do With it with

51:22

someone just going on a spree. They're

51:24

investigating an attempted armed robbery that took place

51:26

the same night she was last seen and

51:30

Which they say may be related to her

51:32

disappearance. It was the first of its kind

51:34

in 14

51:36

years in the last 14 years in order the

51:39

first like strong arm robbery When

51:42

was the last time somebody disappeared there? They're around

51:44

the same time. This is pretty common specific Yeah,

51:46

this is wild So that took place at about

51:48

11 50 p.m At

51:51

the Hillcrest motel on the northwest side

51:53

of Ord on highway 11 a man

51:56

attempted to rob a 45 year

51:58

old Colorado man who was staying the night at the

52:00

motel. And the police chief

52:02

said the man, the Colorado man answered the

52:04

door and saw a man wearing a nylon

52:06

stocking over his head and holding a sawed

52:08

off shotgun. My God. Which is

52:10

terrifying. That's a horrible thing to open the door to.

52:12

That's why they have those holes to look through. If

52:15

you see a guy with a nylon stocking over his

52:17

head, don't open it, I'm gonna say. It's

52:20

probably not the pizza guy. So

52:22

the Colorado man was reportedly threatened three or

52:24

four times, but he maintained he had no

52:26

fucking money. I don't have any fucking money

52:28

to give you. So the robber took the

52:30

telephone in the room so he couldn't call

52:32

the cops and left him alone. Great,

52:36

now I gotta pay for that when I check out. She can't go, I'll

52:38

sell this for $3, okay. Now

52:41

the robbery was committed by two guys named

52:43

Rex White and Glenn Hall. And the victim

52:45

was from Colorado. Now the fucked up part

52:48

is that White and Hall had

52:50

been hanging out with this guy all day. They

52:53

were trying to get him laid at the

52:55

someplace else. That's what they had been

52:57

at the bar. So

53:01

White and Hall and five other

53:03

acquaintances, including this robbery victim,

53:05

so seven people altogether, went to the

53:08

bar, had been at another bar in

53:10

town from three to 7.30 p.m. that

53:12

night, where

53:14

the Colorado guy had been flashing around

53:17

a lot of cash and said he

53:19

wanted to have a big party in

53:21

his motel room and he

53:23

offered White and Hall $100 each if

53:27

they could quote find him a girl to fuck.

53:30

You guys hook up a girl, I'll give you $100 each, which,

53:34

will you pimp a woman to me is what they just

53:36

said. Is what he said. So

53:39

White and Hall took everyone to the

53:41

someplace else tavern around 7.30, right

53:43

around the time when Kathy disappeared, to try

53:45

to find who? Kathy

53:47

Beard, no, they said we'll

53:50

find Kathy, she'll fuck you, that's what they said.

53:52

Wow, we know a chick will

53:54

fuck you. Her name's Kathy, so we'll go find her.

53:57

Now when they got there, White said that

53:59

they couldn't. find Kathy when they got there. They got there

54:01

at 730 and she was nowhere to be found.

54:03

That's their story. Okay.

54:07

Now the next, and then later on they went to the

54:09

mo, they dropped the guy off at the motel, got an

54:11

Ilan stockings and a shotgun and went back and tried to

54:13

rob him, which is wild. At least get that $100 out

54:15

of him. Yeah. He's got to

54:17

at least have 200. We know that for a fact.

54:20

Now the next day after Kathy

54:22

disappeared, the, uh,

54:24

the crew at the McCartney

54:26

job site there, the bricklaying

54:28

crew said they saw

54:31

a marked police car just hanging out nearby

54:33

the whole day near

54:35

the area. Olsen's father asked aloud to

54:37

other people, what the hell this guy

54:39

might want. What the hell do you

54:42

think this guy fucking wants? He's not, he's just sitting

54:44

here the whole time. Whereas John Olsen replied, quote, it's

54:46

probably something I did, which

54:48

is also workplace humor. I'm sure it's something

54:50

I did. You know

54:52

what I mean? It's, that's just how guys joke,

54:54

but it's also could be true. Now

54:58

the next day, also, uh, Olsen, John

55:00

goes back to the someplace else Tavern.

55:03

So he's not avoiding it. This is where he

55:05

hangs out. He went back to the someplace else

55:07

Tavern to confront the, uh,

55:09

whitefoot lady. Uh, Olsen asked

55:11

whitefoot, why she and the bar owner reported

55:13

Kathy missing. Why'd you report her missing? The

55:16

fuck do you care? Yeah. What's your,

55:18

what's your deal? Ola bricks. What do you give

55:20

a shit about reporting her missing? So

55:23

Olsen reportedly said what's going to happen if her body

55:25

comes floating down to the river? Who do you think

55:27

they're going to blame me is what

55:30

he said. They're going to blame me because they saw me walk

55:32

outside with her and you got, you told the cops that I

55:34

walked outside with her. And now they're going to, they're thinking I

55:36

did something to her. Interesting.

55:39

Yeah. He said that, well,

55:41

the whitefoot said, well, what did happen outside with

55:43

you too? And he said, well, I tried to

55:45

grab her and stuff her into my truck. Actually,

55:47

that's what he

55:49

said. He said, quote, I got a quote,

55:52

got ahold of her arms out in the

55:54

alley, but she got away. I tried

55:58

to kidnap her, but failed. Someone else must

56:00

have said, I know what I'm doing,

56:02

I'll take care of that and kidnap her instead. Why

56:05

would he say that? That's fucking wild. Now,

56:08

Whitefoot said, I don't fucking believe you because

56:10

Olsen's 6'3", 210 pounds. He's

56:13

a big fucking guy. Oh, and she is tiny. Yeah,

56:15

he's 100 pounds soaking wet, 5'2". He could put it

56:17

in his pocket. Yeah, he could pick her up by

56:20

the arms and take her places, you know what I

56:22

mean? He weighs 20 pounds more than me and he

56:24

can do, like I can pick Sarah up, take her

56:26

places and you know. So it's, if

56:29

I wanted to, you know, if I had to. Yeah,

56:31

if she said, hey, bring me over there, okay, sure,

56:33

and I could bring her over there. Not against her

56:35

will or anything. Believe me,

56:38

she's a kicky one. She wouldn't be able to do

56:40

that. So

56:42

before, so that's how that goes. So she

56:44

said, I don't believe you that she got

56:46

away from you. And at that point in

56:48

frustration, John Olsen just said, and

56:50

left, and left the bar. You're a waste.

56:53

I'm out of here. All right. So,

56:55

that's on June 1st. Now

56:57

June 2nd comes around. Now the cops, the cops

57:00

basically said, let's take June 1st and wait for

57:02

Kathy to pop up. Let's

57:04

see if she just, you know, comes back into circulation here.

57:07

And she didn't. So by June 2nd, now

57:09

they're interviewing people. Now

57:11

they're, now they, now they're, it's an

57:13

actual missing, missing person investigation. So June

57:15

2nd police sit John Olsen down and

57:18

interview him. He's interviewed by Gerald Woodgate,

57:20

who was the Valley County Sheriff at

57:22

that time, and John Young, who's the

57:24

Ord police chief. So these are the

57:26

two most in charge guys are

57:29

going to talk to them. Those are

57:31

the people that are conducting interviews.

57:33

That's it. Yeah. These small

57:35

departments, there's probably three cops. You know what I mean? That's

57:37

the thing. So the guy who knows the, the,

57:39

how to do an interrogation the best, they sit

57:41

them down. Sheriff and police chief. And the chief

57:44

are sitting down. So Olsen

57:46

told them that when they, when

57:48

he, he and Kathy were in

57:50

the alley, he propositioned

57:52

Kathy for sex. He said,

57:54

Hey, let's go do something. And she refused him.

57:57

He said, he said, she said fucking no. He

58:00

said that he went to his father's truck with

58:02

the intention of leaving and at

58:04

that point he didn't mention anything

58:07

about a struggle or grabbing her or her bolting

58:09

away from him or any of that. He

58:11

just said, I asked her if she wanted a fuck. She

58:13

said no. I shrugged and got in the pickup truck. Which

58:16

why would you leave your dad and all

58:19

the work crew there alone, if you were

58:21

leaving alone? What sense does that

58:23

make? I don't know. I'm so upset. I'm going to

58:25

go take a bath? Yeah. That's

58:27

a weird thing to... I'm so upset I'm going to take a bath. He

58:31

said that he went to his father's pickup with the intention

58:33

of leaving. Like we said, he said as he started

58:35

to leave, he saw Kathy go to another

58:37

truck that had just pulled into the alley.

58:40

He described the truck as a

58:43

custom F-150 Ford pickup truck, about

58:45

seven years old but shiny with

58:47

fog lights and 88 county

58:49

plates as well. He

58:52

described the driver as having long hair but

58:54

he could not tell if the driver was

58:56

male or female. Okay.

58:59

Now that's his story. That's where I saw her. I saw

59:01

her going toward that truck. I tried to fuck her. She

59:04

said no and I left. What do you want from me? An

59:06

88 with fog lights. An 88 with fog

59:08

lights. So out of the trucks an 80

59:10

something. Now June 6th now. So

59:13

four days go by and now the police

59:16

are... They've done all the interviews. Nobody really

59:18

has anything to say or any leads. So

59:20

now they're just doing searches

59:22

and now they're having by air.

59:25

Yeah, they said her sister

59:27

Janice said it was unlike Kathy to go long

59:29

periods of time without contacting her family because she

59:32

takes care of her mom. So

59:34

she checks in with her mom all the time.

59:36

Her sister said if she was late

59:39

for dinner she would call home and tell you. She

59:41

always keeps in contact. They

59:44

said that they feared that she... And

59:46

the police said it's feared that Kathy

59:48

may be injured since she hasn't contacted

59:50

anybody. I'm sorry that she's... I'd

59:53

say injured is a mild way to put that. You're

59:57

injured. Yeah. You

1:00:00

got a fucking sprained ankle here for sure

1:00:02

can call home still. Usually death is what

1:00:04

keeps you from contacting people. She's

1:00:07

missing. She's got a gout flare. It's not going to be

1:00:09

found for a while. I'm not going to find her for

1:00:11

a while. Her colitis is really acting up. Jesus.

1:00:15

So the police officer said we all

1:00:17

know Kathy. She would have she

1:00:19

would have let somebody know where she was

1:00:22

at by now. At this point, we're concerned.

1:00:24

Really? She's been gone for five days. I'd be concerned

1:00:27

too. Panicked. The police chief said

1:00:29

he wanted to keep the search close

1:00:31

to Ord in order to do a

1:00:33

thorough job. So start in a small

1:00:35

area comb that and then branch out

1:00:37

from there. He said if

1:00:39

it's not found if she if Kathy's not found

1:00:41

today, then the search will be expanded. Now

1:00:44

Kathy's mother said she's very frustrated with her

1:00:46

daughter's disappearance. She said I just wish someone

1:00:48

would come up with something. I know she

1:00:50

didn't expect to be gone long because she

1:00:52

was taking care of the house and garden

1:00:55

and goddamn it. I need her to pull some fucking

1:00:57

weeds. If I'm being honest here. The

1:00:59

dishes are piling up. She's inconveniencing me

1:01:01

understand and I don't like it. Okay,

1:01:04

just don't like it. Now her

1:01:06

mom also said that while her daughter has

1:01:08

been gone family and friends have offered to

1:01:10

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1:01:12

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1:01:14

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1:01:17

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1:01:19

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1:01:21

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1:01:24

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so she said, I even had a friend

1:02:58

from Kearney who wanted to come up. Yeah,

1:03:00

people in a small town are pretty wonderful,

1:03:03

except for whoever the fuck took your daughter.

1:03:05

That's not a one. It's strange

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to go. Everyone's really wonderful five days after

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your daughter's missing and someone obviously took her.

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Everybody's so nice except for at least

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one guy. At least a guy. So

1:03:17

police are going to re-interview John Olsen

1:03:19

because really that's the only evidence or

1:03:21

the only lead they have. So he's

1:03:24

interviewed now by an investigator for the

1:03:26

Nebraska State Patrol. Now we're bringing the state

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he's in. He described that

1:03:30

he saw a beard at the bar, asked

1:03:33

her if she wanted to quote, play

1:03:35

a little touch and

1:03:37

feel outside. Wow. Gentlemen,

1:03:40

imagine going up to a lady in a bar

1:03:42

that you know and be like, you want to

1:03:44

go play a little touch and feel outside? What

1:03:47

are the odds that that works? Honestly. I want

1:03:49

to go in the parking lot. Why? A

1:03:52

little game of play a little touch and feel.

1:03:56

He said though that she said no and told

1:03:58

him that she does not think of him

1:04:00

in that way? Probably

1:04:02

because she's known him since he was

1:04:04

a child and doesn't really think of

1:04:06

him like an adult. Okay, well, what

1:04:09

about some sucking takes? How about that?

1:04:11

Yeah. You sat there while I was saying

1:04:13

that trying to think of a fucking other one of

1:04:15

those. I saw your eyes going. I saw your brain

1:04:17

working. What's

1:04:21

the other options then? If

1:04:24

she doesn't see him that way, then what else is

1:04:26

he going to go have a conversation with her? What

1:04:28

are we about why you don't see me that way?

1:04:30

About how wonderful his penis is? What are we talking

1:04:32

about? You don't

1:04:34

have another reason to be talking to her

1:04:36

then. No, you really don't at that point. You really

1:04:38

kind of fucked it. So I don't

1:04:41

know. The whole thing is fucked. So

1:04:43

she said that then. He

1:04:45

said when he continued to ask

1:04:47

Kathy, she eventually agreed to go

1:04:50

outside, quote, at least to talk

1:04:52

about it. Did

1:04:56

it negotiate? We'll talk about it.

1:04:58

I don't want you to feel me up, but

1:05:00

maybe I do. I don't know. Let's go outside

1:05:02

and really get a round of fucking negotiations and

1:05:04

we'll decide here. Yeah, we'll pack the APR down,

1:05:06

see about the down payment. Throw

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in the rust proofing and we'll talk about it. We'll see if

1:05:11

we can get the payment down where we need it to be.

1:05:13

We can get it to about $2.45 a

1:05:15

month. We'll see what's going on. So Olsen reported that

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it was about 7.30 PM

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said, I even had a friend from

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Kearney who wanted to come up. Yeah,

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people in a small town are pretty

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wonderful. Except for whoever the fuck took

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your daughter. That's not a one. It's

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strange to go, everyone's really wonderful five days

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after your daughter's missing and someone obviously took

1:08:39

her. Everybody's so nice, except

1:08:41

for at least one person. At least

1:08:43

a guy. So police

1:08:45

are gonna re-interview John Olsen because really

1:08:47

that's the only evidence, or the only

1:08:49

lead they have. So he's interviewed now

1:08:52

by an investigator for the Nebraska State

1:08:54

Patrol. Now we're bringing the state he's in. He

1:08:57

described that he saw a beard at the bar, asked

1:09:00

her if she wanted a quote. Play

1:09:02

a little touch and feel outside. Wow.

1:09:07

Gentlemen, imagine going up to a lady in a

1:09:10

bar that you know and be like, you wanna

1:09:12

go play a little touch and feel outside? What

1:09:14

are the odds that that works, honestly? Wanna

1:09:16

go in the parking lot? Why? Touch

1:09:19

and feel? Little game of touch, play a little touch

1:09:21

and feel. Gross. He

1:09:24

said though that she said no and told him

1:09:26

that she does not think of him in that

1:09:28

way. Oh, probably. Probably

1:09:30

because she's known him since he was a

1:09:32

child and doesn't really think of him

1:09:34

like an adult. Okay, well we'll have some sucking

1:09:36

taste. How about that, yeah. You

1:09:39

sat there while I was saying that, trying to think of

1:09:41

a fucking other one of those. I saw your eyes going.

1:09:43

I just don't see why. I saw your brain working. What's

1:09:46

the other options then? Like

1:09:51

if she doesn't see him that way, then what else

1:09:53

is he gonna go have a conversation with her? About

1:09:56

why you don't see me that way? About how

1:09:58

wonderful his penis is. You

1:10:01

don't have another reason to be

1:10:03

talking to her then. No, you really don't

1:10:05

at that point. You really kind of fucked it. So

1:10:07

I don't know. The whole thing

1:10:09

is fucked. So she said that then. He

1:10:12

said when he continued to ask

1:10:15

Kathy, she eventually agreed to go

1:10:17

outside, quote, at least to talk

1:10:19

about it. So

1:10:22

I don't... You negotiate? We'll

1:10:25

talk about it. I don't want you to feel

1:10:27

me up, but maybe I do. I don't know.

1:10:29

Let's go outside and really get a round of

1:10:31

fucking negotiations and we'll decide here. Yeah, we'll hack

1:10:33

the APR down, see about the downtown payment. Throw

1:10:36

in the rust proofing and we'll talk about it. We'll see

1:10:38

if we can get the payment down where we need it

1:10:41

to be. We can get it to about $2.45 a month.

1:10:43

We'll see what's going on. So Olsen reported

1:10:45

that it was about 7.30 PM

1:10:47

when he and Kathy

1:10:49

stepped into the alley. He

1:10:52

reported that he and Kathy stood

1:10:54

by the passenger side of his father's

1:10:56

pickup. He again asked Kathy if she,

1:10:58

quote, would like to do something. Which

1:11:04

he was pointing at his dick when he said it,

1:11:06

probably. You want to do something or he's unzipping his

1:11:08

pants? No? So

1:11:11

she again said that she did not think of him

1:11:13

in that way. He said

1:11:15

he became upset and tried to grab her

1:11:17

by her wrist to pull her into the

1:11:20

pickup. I tried to kidnap her as his

1:11:22

fucking... He told the cops that. He

1:11:24

told the cops that. His story is I

1:11:26

tried unsuccessfully to kidnap her and then someone else

1:11:28

must have done it. They must have saw me

1:11:30

doing it and been like, good idea and then

1:11:32

done it themselves. That

1:11:35

guy has a... Wow. Boy oh boy. So I

1:11:37

don't know if maybe he thought that someone might

1:11:39

have seen that happen so he had to say

1:11:41

it possibly. That's the only thing I could think

1:11:44

of why he would admit to that. So he

1:11:46

said that she pulled away from him

1:11:49

though and according to him, she never

1:11:51

entered the pickup. He

1:11:53

said that he hopped in the passenger side

1:11:55

door, slid over to the driver's side and

1:11:57

just drove away because he was so frustrated. I

1:12:01

don't like his story. No, his

1:12:03

story is not good. And as he was leaving,

1:12:05

he noticed a dark blue or black Ford pickup

1:12:07

pull into the alley and he saw Kathy walk

1:12:09

over to the pickup and start talking to the

1:12:11

driver. She then walked over to the passenger side

1:12:13

of the pickup and got in. That's what he

1:12:15

says. He described the driver. Now he describes the

1:12:17

driver as male. Before he didn't know if it

1:12:19

was a male or a female, they just had

1:12:21

a long hair. Now he says

1:12:24

male, possibly with a mustache with

1:12:26

long blonde hair. And

1:12:28

he doesn't describe any other occupants. He said it

1:12:30

was a commercial pickup with 88 county plates. He

1:12:34

said he went home and took a bath. He

1:12:36

said he got... This is now...

1:12:39

He's reporting two baths within a three hour

1:12:42

span. That's too much bath

1:12:44

for anybody. So he said

1:12:46

he got out of the tub to answer

1:12:48

a phone call from Roger, the bricklayer

1:12:51

boss there at about 745. After

1:12:54

the brief call with Roger about the brickwork,

1:12:56

he finished his bath. He got back in

1:12:59

the bath after that. Then gathered up clothes

1:13:01

and detergent to go to the laundromat. When

1:13:03

he was on the way out the door,

1:13:05

that's when he ran into his father and

1:13:08

Kittenger. And

1:13:10

he... He just all is cleaning at night.

1:13:12

At night. Yeah. He's

1:13:14

into nights not on weekends. He doesn't spend a Saturday afternoon. I'm going to

1:13:16

bathe me, wash my clothes. No. He

1:13:18

grabbed his box of detergent and on his way he's

1:13:20

going. If you just did something with a woman, you'd

1:13:22

probably want to wash the clothes you were wearing and

1:13:24

yourself. Yeah. And your body. Is

1:13:27

the problem. Now, at the same time, he only

1:13:29

had at the most estimation

1:13:31

45 minutes to get her to

1:13:33

somewhere, do

1:13:35

something to her, lose her significantly to where

1:13:38

no one could find her, then get back

1:13:40

home, take a bath. Because that's

1:13:42

why this is... He's post bath, gather up his

1:13:44

shit and be walking outside with his laundry. That's

1:13:47

from fucking door to door, from in

1:13:50

the bar to walking out with the laundry

1:13:52

freshly day. That is not a long

1:13:54

time to do any of that shit. No. Unless

1:13:56

you've already got a whole dog and... It's

1:13:59

what I mean. You've got to have so much

1:14:01

preparation on it. And you have to have

1:14:03

done this before and know what you're doing and that sort of

1:14:05

thing. So that's when he said

1:14:08

he ran into them. Then he said

1:14:10

that Whitefoot called him later in the

1:14:12

night and a state trooper will say

1:14:14

that law enforcement investigated the owners of

1:14:17

vehicles similar to Oldson's description of the

1:14:19

pickup truck with the 88 county plates.

1:14:21

And all such individuals were ruled out

1:14:24

as having any information or involvement in

1:14:26

the disappearance. All the people they got from that.

1:14:29

Okay. Any dark colored

1:14:31

pickup from that county basically. Now

1:14:34

sometime around there, some

1:14:36

one of these days a local

1:14:38

resident say they saw Oldson's father's

1:14:41

pickup truck in the driveway of

1:14:43

their house with both doors open and

1:14:46

the seat completely removed and lying on

1:14:48

the ground. And a water

1:14:50

hose ran to the truck and a bucket

1:14:52

was nearby. They cleaned

1:14:54

the inside of the truck. Under the seat. I've

1:14:57

never taken a seat out to clean under it

1:14:59

ever in a car. No, to clean under it?

1:15:01

No, never. That's

1:15:04

hard work. That's at least four bolts.

1:15:06

Fuck yeah. Wrestle in that an 80s.

1:15:09

Bench seat? An 82 Ford F-150 bench seat. That

1:15:14

thing weighs a lot. Thing

1:15:16

is big, man. Holy shit.

1:15:18

So by June 8th, there's still no

1:15:20

luck in finding her. Still

1:15:22

haven't found her. Still no clues. They

1:15:24

did an unsuccessful search for Kathy of

1:15:27

Ord and it forced them

1:15:30

to go back to the drawing board and talk

1:15:32

about where to expand the search to. The police

1:15:34

chief John Young said the search for Beard who's

1:15:37

been missing since May 31st may

1:15:39

be expanded during the weekend. They

1:15:41

said at this point it looks like it could

1:15:43

be a slow long process. He

1:15:47

suspects foul play is involved in the disappearance because

1:15:49

of the length of the time she's gone. Yeah.

1:15:52

She wouldn't be gone for 10 days without telling

1:15:54

anybody where she's been. They've

1:15:56

worked overtime in the search for Kathy.

1:15:59

The officer said. I would fucking hope so. I

1:16:01

mean, look for it. They should probably

1:16:03

not have anyone not working on this

1:16:05

case. Let's get everybody, all hands on

1:16:07

deck here. Always, yeah. For a couple

1:16:09

hours the night before, volunteer firefighters walked

1:16:11

and canoed the North Loop River outside

1:16:13

of Ord looking for any evidence of

1:16:15

her and they found nothing. The

1:16:18

trip down three miles of the

1:16:20

river from Ord was the second

1:16:22

unsuccessful search for Kathy here. So

1:16:25

they're having a hard time. Firefighters trudged

1:16:27

through the river and a pilot named

1:16:29

Jerry Bauer of Ord flew overhead in

1:16:32

his airplane to find evidence of him. They

1:16:34

have all hands on deck, man. Firefighters

1:16:37

also searched the Hardinbrook Dam located

1:16:39

a mile east of Ord and

1:16:42

old pilings that once held a

1:16:44

railroad bridge. So if someone could

1:16:46

shove it in a big tube there. And

1:16:49

for a while they're asking everybody to check

1:16:51

their wells. Everybody look in your wells. Oh,

1:16:53

wow. Everybody look in your wells and make

1:16:55

sure there's no young lady in there. They

1:16:58

said that the river and dam were searched

1:17:00

because of their easy access to vehicles and

1:17:03

many local people use the area for fishing,

1:17:05

canoeing and quote other entertainment, which means fucking,

1:17:08

I believe. I don't know what else you do there. Well,

1:17:10

a lot of touch and feel, Jerry. A little touch and

1:17:13

feel. So the

1:17:15

investigation for Kathy continuing

1:17:17

and her family doesn't know where the fuck she is. Her

1:17:21

brother Bill took an emergency leave from work

1:17:23

at the Air National Guard in Lincoln to

1:17:25

be with his mother to help. Someone's

1:17:28

gotta do the gardening. Right,

1:17:30

there's a shift being unfilled here. We

1:17:32

need an employee. We need somebody. So

1:17:35

a lot of people have come,

1:17:39

by the way, the chief of the Kirby,

1:17:41

the future chief of police is married to

1:17:44

his sister, or married to Kathy's sister,

1:17:46

not Kathy's brother's wife. Oh. So

1:17:49

it's Kathy's sister's husband. Straight brother-in-law. Straight

1:17:51

brother-in-law. Bill Beard, the

1:17:53

brother, said a lot of people have come and said

1:17:55

they're praying for her. That's the best we could ask

1:17:57

of anybody. Now, Rex

1:18:00

White, let's talk about Rex White. He's one

1:18:02

of the robbers who robbed the Colorado guy

1:18:04

and said they were looking

1:18:06

for Kathy to find a fuck partner for their

1:18:08

buddy there. It's crazy. Now, he

1:18:11

gave a statement here

1:18:13

about where that Kathy

1:18:16

might be. I guess they

1:18:19

talked about, he

1:18:21

had gone to work, I guess. There's a guy

1:18:23

named John Hopkins. Not

1:18:25

the, not Johns Hopkins. Not doctor? John

1:18:28

Hopkins and he is

1:18:31

the, he's Rex White's boss on

1:18:33

a cement job, okay? Yeah.

1:18:36

According to Hopkins, White told him,

1:18:39

I know where she is. She's

1:18:42

wrong. I can show you where she's at.

1:18:44

No, that's what Rex said. John is just

1:18:46

repeating this. Rex told John this. Rex

1:18:49

said, I can show you where she's at.

1:18:51

We skinned her alive and I think she

1:18:53

liked it. Now,

1:18:56

the boss, Hopkins reported that White seemed to be telling the

1:18:58

truth. Didn't seem to be lying. He wasn't joking. He wasn't

1:19:00

giving an elbow in the ribs. Furthermore,

1:19:02

this Hopkins got the impression from the

1:19:04

conversation that Kathy was out in the

1:19:07

open somewhere. They just dumped her. Now,

1:19:09

who the fuck tells their boss, we skinned a chick

1:19:11

alive last week. A

1:19:13

weird thing to tell your boss. And she

1:19:15

liked it too. She liked it. You are

1:19:17

sick. So, Hopkins live

1:19:20

in girlfriend said that she recalled

1:19:23

coming home from work and finding Hopkins

1:19:25

sobbing in the living room about

1:19:27

this. He felt terrible. The girlfriend

1:19:29

said that Hopkins was upset because White had

1:19:31

told them that they had

1:19:33

killed Kathy. And White told Hopkins that

1:19:36

he skinned her and buried her under

1:19:38

concrete under a restroom project north of

1:19:40

Ord where White was working. So,

1:19:43

he was like, that's what he

1:19:45

told me at the end that he buried her in this thing

1:19:47

and I don't know what to do. So, she said, is there

1:19:49

any way we can check this out to make you feel better

1:19:51

and see if it's not true. So, she

1:19:53

and Hopkins drove to the job site

1:19:56

where this lady was allegedly buried and

1:19:58

found a bag of lime. missing. Oh

1:20:01

shit. Which is not a good thing to find. It's

1:20:03

the exact thing you'd need with a body. So that's

1:20:07

not good. So he was really, really, really

1:20:09

fucking freaked out. And

1:20:11

they think they don't trust Rex

1:20:13

White anyway, because he's a fucking attempted

1:20:16

pimp slash robber slash

1:20:18

strong arm robber. You know what I mean? Very

1:20:20

cheap one. By the way, they came back.

1:20:23

There's the someplace else in and do you know

1:20:26

what other bar they were at that night? Rex

1:20:28

White. The doodron? No, they were at the y'all

1:20:30

come back saloon. The

1:20:32

y'all come back saloon. Oh man.

1:20:38

Oh boy. That is fucking hilarious. I've seen

1:20:40

you do drop in. I've seen a lot.

1:20:43

I've never heard of the y'all come back

1:20:45

saloon. Y'all come back saloon.

1:20:49

That is fucking ridiculous. And

1:20:51

then that was before they went to the

1:20:53

someplace else. So they stopped there. Now,

1:20:56

I guess

1:20:58

they became victim. Then there was the

1:21:00

arm robbery. All of them were questions.

1:21:02

Okay. Hall White, the guy who got

1:21:05

robbed, all of them were questioned. All

1:21:07

of them passed polygraph tests. So

1:21:10

those, all those things actually happened.

1:21:12

All of those things certainly happened,

1:21:15

but they said that we didn't kidnap Kathy

1:21:17

and that that's the important part. So then

1:21:19

they go, well, how about a bunch of

1:21:21

carnival workers? What about them? Carnies are scumbags.

1:21:24

What do you think of them? They must

1:21:26

be, they kidnap women and shit all the

1:21:28

time. Is there a carnival somewhere? There's always

1:21:30

a carnival around somewhere. Kidding me. So it's

1:21:32

the summer. You know, it's May

1:21:34

31st. This is carnival season. So Brian

1:21:36

Mentzer and a bunch of carnival workers

1:21:38

they're going to talk to, one

1:21:41

guy named Mel Ellingson, who was a

1:21:43

boyfriend of Kathy's at one time. He

1:21:46

said that Kathy once told him that a

1:21:48

person by the name of Brian Mentzer was

1:21:50

going to kill her and had threatened her

1:21:52

once in a bar. Ellingson

1:21:55

also recalled Kathy telling him that

1:21:57

two guys from the carnival. Why

1:22:00

are you consorting with carnival folk? That's

1:22:03

the problem that she was acquainted with,

1:22:05

had called her because they were going to be

1:22:07

visiting. And this guy, Ellington

1:22:09

said that the men drove a green pickup

1:22:11

truck while they were in Ord, dark

1:22:13

colored pickup. Ellington also

1:22:15

said that the owner of the carnival lived

1:22:18

in Taylor, Nebraska and therefore would have 88

1:22:21

county license plates. Uh-oh.

1:22:24

Okay, so there's that. Now

1:22:26

there's Kathy sightings that

1:22:28

are after her disappearance, which is a

1:22:31

problem. They

1:22:33

all think they're helping, but it's always bad. And

1:22:35

this happens so much with a sighting because people

1:22:37

see somebody's face all the time and it's in

1:22:39

their brain and they think they see someone and

1:22:41

they're looking for them, they're trying to find them.

1:22:44

So one witness said that the

1:22:46

night of her disappearance, he saw

1:22:49

an unfamiliar man and a woman

1:22:51

at the convenience store on the

1:22:53

highway leading to Burwell, Nebraska, about

1:22:55

17 miles from Ord.

1:22:57

The woman was approximately Beard's weight

1:22:59

and stature, but had darker hair. Well,

1:23:01

it's probably not her then. And

1:23:05

she appeared, quote, drunk or doped. Two

1:23:08

other witnesses reported to law enforcement that

1:23:10

on the day after her disappearance, they

1:23:12

saw someone who matched the picture and

1:23:14

physical description of Beard walk into a

1:23:16

cafe in moral Nebraska, which is 360

1:23:18

miles from Ord. She

1:23:22

was carrying a jacket and a military

1:23:24

green duffel bag and the bag was,

1:23:27

quote, full clear up to the top

1:23:29

with clothing or other personal items. And

1:23:31

she looked tired. Now we

1:23:33

know she didn't take her clothes with her, so that can't

1:23:35

be her unless she bought a whole new wardrobe. Oh, I'm

1:23:37

glad. And this person has

1:23:39

been traveling a while. She's exhausted. She's beat,

1:23:41

man. So the Ellington guy,

1:23:43

her former boyfriend said in the statement

1:23:46

to police that he was traveling back

1:23:48

to Ord from Valentine, Nebraska, the day

1:23:50

after Kathy's disappearance while on

1:23:52

en route there at about 6 p.m., he

1:23:54

saw a vehicle traveling in the opposite direction.

1:23:56

He said he was traveling 60 and

1:23:59

the other vehicles. traveling 90 miles an

1:24:01

hour. I haven't seen that.

1:24:03

So that's a fast, they're going by quick.

1:24:06

He said there was three people in

1:24:08

the vehicle and he quote, could swear

1:24:10

that Kathy was seated in the middle

1:24:12

between the driver and the other occupant.

1:24:15

He believed he recognized the vehicles belonging

1:24:17

to a person who had previously lived

1:24:19

across from Beard's house and had dated

1:24:21

Kathy at one time. It's

1:24:24

her ex-boyfriend, I could swear I saw her

1:24:26

in her ex's truck, man. He

1:24:29

got a look at three different people.

1:24:31

Yep, that quick. And was able to identify

1:24:33

two of them right now. Right now. Going

1:24:36

60 and they're going. 90,

1:24:38

the other direction, flying. Yeah. Flying.

1:24:42

So none of this is helpful, obviously. No.

1:24:45

It's like, where is she now? Because that doesn't help. So

1:24:47

June 9th, 1989, they're still searching. And

1:24:52

now they're saying that the search

1:24:54

has failed and they're saying that

1:24:56

they need a wider search and that they're

1:24:58

suspecting foul play now as well. Now they're

1:25:00

suspecting foul play. You know. It's

1:25:02

about time, guys. About time. By June 11th, 1989, so some time has

1:25:05

gone by here. This

1:25:08

is 12, 13 days. Now

1:25:10

they want to talk more to John Olsen again.

1:25:13

Because, you know, his

1:25:15

story is crazy. Yeah, he's taking some bits. Yeah,

1:25:18

he's taking lots of baths and he

1:25:20

said he tried to kidnap her. He said

1:25:22

that, which is, that's his story. I tried

1:25:24

to kidnap her, but somebody else got to

1:25:26

her first. What a wild

1:25:28

story. What a wild place.

1:25:31

If you're in this alley, just multiple people try

1:25:33

to kidnap you. If you get away from one

1:25:35

someone else grabs you, where the fuck are we?

1:25:37

What kind of crazy place is this? This

1:25:40

is unbelievable. So he said he was in

1:25:42

the establishment. There's a cop say that the

1:25:45

guy they're talking to, Olsen, this is a quote

1:25:47

to the press, said he was in the

1:25:50

establishment and left at approximately the same time

1:25:52

she did. He's denying any involvement or any

1:25:54

knowledge of her disappearance. And that's what he

1:25:56

continues to do. But he also, some

1:25:59

people see. some weird shit. One

1:26:01

lady named Barbara Dasher, she

1:26:04

said she and John would often talk up

1:26:06

to each other at the someplace else tavern.

1:26:09

And one day while talking at the bar,

1:26:11

this is after Kathy disappeared, Olsen

1:26:13

suddenly, quote, looked mean and said

1:26:16

right in my ear that quote,

1:26:18

they'd never be able to find

1:26:20

Beard. They'll never be able to

1:26:22

find Kathy. On another occasion, Olsen told

1:26:24

Barbara that quote, Beard was dead

1:26:26

and that we'll never see her again. And

1:26:29

on top of that, she deserved what she got. Wow.

1:26:33

Okay. That's what she says that that he said.

1:26:36

Now, July 1989, Olsen

1:26:38

is arrested, not for murder

1:26:40

or kidnapping or anything that has to

1:26:42

do with Kathy Beard. He's arrested for

1:26:44

something completely different. What'd he

1:26:46

do? He's arrested for assaulting a woman

1:26:48

in Burwell, Nebraska. This

1:26:50

is common for him. He is, he's going to

1:26:53

be convicted of this to a 51 year old

1:26:55

woman in Burwell, Nebraska. According to

1:26:57

the affidavit, he approached the woman in a

1:27:00

gas station parking lot. Okay. Gas station parking

1:27:02

lot walks up to a strange lady who's

1:27:04

never seen him before and says, quote, I

1:27:06

want to see your belly, which

1:27:11

is the strangest request from anyone I've ever

1:27:13

that probably took her so like

1:27:15

a back. She's probably like, what? I want

1:27:18

to see your belly. She

1:27:21

refused. I don't fucking know

1:27:23

you. I'm gonna show any of my stomach. So he punched

1:27:25

her several times in the head, pulled

1:27:28

up her shirt, rubbed and pinched her

1:27:30

stomach and then fled the scene, gave

1:27:34

her a raspberry. Now

1:27:40

this sounds crazy, right? Yeah. Wait, do you

1:27:42

read his diary? That's what he's into. He

1:27:45

likes bellies. He's, we'll talk all about it. I want

1:27:47

to save that for when it comes up here in

1:27:49

a minute. Okay. So he's arrested,

1:27:51

put in jail and, and

1:27:54

he, for assault and he's kept, and

1:27:56

he's in there. Now while he's in his

1:27:58

cell for the next. Oh

1:28:01

nine ten months or so because he'll be

1:28:03

convicted of this yeah He

1:28:05

keeps a diary a very

1:28:07

very specific journal And

1:28:10

what happens is whenever he leaves his cell

1:28:12

to do things Every couple

1:28:14

days the officers go in because they're all thinking

1:28:16

he killed Kathy still or at least kidnapped her

1:28:18

So they go in take his journal and photocopy

1:28:20

the pages and then put it back. They do

1:28:23

it every couple days To

1:28:25

know what the fuck he's been up to Later

1:28:27

on the cops will say they found all the pages

1:28:30

in the garbage I don't know what to tell you

1:28:32

but then it comes out that no the officers say

1:28:34

later No, we took them every couple days. We take

1:28:36

him out specifically so we could photocopy his journal. That's

1:28:38

what we did. That's funny So

1:28:41

they do searches of his self now

1:28:43

they Perform cell checks every

1:28:45

other week, and that's when they would copy

1:28:47

a shit now 1990

1:28:51

he says some very strange shit here. He's

1:28:53

got his girlfriend He's got a girlfriend by

1:28:56

the way named mini mini Eggers is her

1:28:58

name mini Eggers Which sounds like she

1:29:00

has small tits doesn't it? Mini

1:29:04

like Minnie Mouse Eggers and At

1:29:07

the hill end up marrying her someday by the way

1:29:11

She says that she overheard old sin. This

1:29:13

is a woman at the bar around an

1:29:15

org resident Said that

1:29:17

she overheard old sin tell his girlfriend mini

1:29:19

that quote if she didn't do whatever It

1:29:22

was that he wanted he would do the same thing to

1:29:24

her that he'd done to Kathy The

1:29:29

this this woman said that That's

1:29:32

what I'm saying is he just keeps telling everybody shit

1:29:35

She said that many seems scared and old sin

1:29:37

looked around to see if anyone had heard him

1:29:39

and mini told old sin that she Loved him

1:29:42

and would do whatever he wanted at the time.

1:29:44

That's what the lady said now.

1:29:46

He's got He's got some

1:29:48

woman problems as we'll talk about He'll

1:29:51

end up later on he is going

1:29:53

to be charged with third-degree sexual assault

1:29:56

and another incident There's

1:29:58

another third-degree sexual assault This

1:30:00

happened right around this time where

1:30:02

he has allegedly touched

1:30:04

a woman's breast. That

1:30:06

charge was reduced to third degree sexual

1:30:09

assault. He pleaded no contest, served 60

1:30:11

days in jail. So

1:30:14

a jury found him guilty of the third degree assault

1:30:16

of the Burwell woman. Now let me see your belly.

1:30:18

Let me see your belly. And

1:30:21

then so weird. That's so strange.

1:30:24

You wouldn't even think it was strange because

1:30:26

you'd be like, what? Did he just? It

1:30:28

would take you a minute. I just asked to see my belly? What

1:30:30

a weird thing to say. He's into the

1:30:33

bell bell. If you're like nine months pregnant or something, let

1:30:35

me see your belly. I'd be even weirder. I don't even

1:30:37

know. Was she pregnant? No, not at

1:30:39

all. She's 51. I

1:30:41

hope not. That kid would not be in good shape if she

1:30:43

was. Rubbin' and pinching a belly. So

1:30:45

Olsen, when he wrestled with her, pulled up

1:30:47

her blouse and touched her stomach, then jumped

1:30:49

in his truck and drove away. So

1:30:54

Olsen, he's in jail. He speaks to

1:30:56

the press while in jail. And

1:31:00

he talks about, in addition to talking

1:31:02

about Kathy Beard case, he talks about

1:31:04

literature, religion, sex, media, law enforcement, family,

1:31:06

his time in a boy's home, his

1:31:08

military service, and the fact that for

1:31:10

some reason that Minnie Broad just married

1:31:12

him. I don't know why, but wow.

1:31:17

He said- He's just spilling it all.

1:31:19

Oh, he's telling him everything. He said he knew

1:31:21

Kathy his entire life. And when he was drinking,

1:31:23

he tried to be more than a friend with

1:31:26

her. He said, we were friends and we were sober. When I

1:31:28

got a couple drinks in me, she starts

1:31:30

looking good to me basically. He

1:31:33

said she always refused to sexual advances.

1:31:35

He said that Kathy would tell him, oh John, I

1:31:38

like you as a friend, but never in that way.

1:31:41

No, no, get away. No, no. But it

1:31:43

was very playful. You know what I mean? I'm going

1:31:45

to try to get some. And she's like, no, you're

1:31:47

not going to get any. You know what I mean?

1:31:49

That's how he describes it. But after a while, it seems

1:31:51

like this would probably be uncomfortable for her. Yeah.

1:31:55

I mean, yeah. How many times can you be asked to

1:31:57

play touch and feel before you're a little like, okay, that's

1:31:59

enough now. And

1:32:01

you've seen it happen a million times with

1:32:03

your friends. You know what I'm saying. Eventually

1:32:05

you go, dude, stop making me uncomfortable. She

1:32:08

said, or I'm sorry, he said, John said,

1:32:10

every time I approached her I was pretty

1:32:12

well tanked up. I was

1:32:14

real tanked up as a matter of fact

1:32:16

a couple times. What happens is you get

1:32:18

more desperate as the night goes on. Well

1:32:20

yeah, that's obvious. Everyone knows that. Closing

1:32:23

time is the prettiest time of the night.

1:32:26

Everybody's beautiful at the light of

1:32:29

the newly raised bar. The

1:32:32

red lights just came on. Everybody looks pretty in that

1:32:34

light. Oh man, that is

1:32:37

the worst. Watching

1:32:39

all those dudes grabbing a

1:32:41

piece of paper and jotting down numbers

1:32:44

and shit, it's hilarious. And

1:32:46

then, I remember as a bouncer waiting for that to

1:32:48

happen at the end of the night. Can I borrow

1:32:50

your pen? You can hear that echoing

1:32:52

through the bar. Can I borrow a pen? Trying to

1:32:54

figure out, are we going to leave together? Fuck, even

1:32:56

though we've been talking for two hours, the house is

1:32:58

going to work out, and the guy's trying to close

1:33:00

the deal real fast. So

1:33:03

he said this, and this is insulting, quote, this is,

1:33:05

you get desperate as the night goes on. Finally,

1:33:08

I just reached the bottom of the barrel.

1:33:10

What the hell? We'll try Cathy. What?

1:33:14

And she wouldn't have anything to do with me. Cathy

1:33:17

has a bad reputation in town as being very easy,

1:33:19

by the way, at the bar. That's

1:33:21

a thing. So Olsen said he talked

1:33:23

to Beard in the bar on the night she

1:33:25

disappeared. He said, I had ridden there with my

1:33:28

father after work. I got in his truck and

1:33:30

left. As I went out the

1:33:32

alley, I saw her enter another pickup, and then they

1:33:34

left, and then that's it. That's

1:33:36

the last time I had seen or known anything about her. Yeah,

1:33:39

I done blew it. I blew it. That's

1:33:42

what he said. He also,

1:33:46

he knows the, they said, well, do you know the area?

1:33:48

Do you know places in the woods where a body could

1:33:50

be dumped? And he goes, well,

1:33:52

yeah, I'm fucking from here. I know everything, but that doesn't mean I

1:33:54

did it. Right. So, and

1:33:57

then he talks about how him and his wife just had

1:33:59

a son. When

1:34:01

asked if he had a fascination for women's

1:34:03

stomachs, and we'll get to why, because there's

1:34:06

a reason for it, he said, I'm not gonna

1:34:08

deny that that's one of my favorite parts of

1:34:10

the body, it's not fixating

1:34:13

thing, it's just one of several features of

1:34:15

a woman that figures in on it. Okay.

1:34:20

Now he, yeah,

1:34:22

that's what he said. He said

1:34:25

that he was working when he

1:34:27

was charged with a third degree sexual assault. And

1:34:30

he was like, oh, that was crazy, I

1:34:32

don't know what you're talking about. He said,

1:34:34

Oldson said Nebraska State patrol investigators had been

1:34:37

interviewing his female acquaintances and telling them that,

1:34:39

quote, I killed Kathy Beard and that I

1:34:41

was a sexual perverse animal, and beware, you're

1:34:44

next to try to scare them so they'll

1:34:46

give information. The Sergeant of

1:34:48

the Nebraska State Police said that's fabricated

1:34:50

and certainly not the truth. Yeah,

1:34:54

Oldson said his faith in God

1:34:56

has improved since he met his

1:34:58

wife, and he

1:35:01

figures that they'll leave him alone eventually, because his faith

1:35:03

is telling him that. He said,

1:35:05

I'd like to consider myself a good Christian,

1:35:08

only God knows how good I'm doing. He

1:35:11

said, at one time I wanted to be a priest even, I'm

1:35:14

super religious, and they said, well, you know, they

1:35:16

asked him if he has done anything that he'll

1:35:18

never tell anybody, and he said, right now I

1:35:20

would say, there's a couple experiences I don't think

1:35:22

I'm gonna tell anyone for a long time. But

1:35:25

that was just mainly about blowing my friend a tent one time,

1:35:27

we were out there, we were like, you know, I never

1:35:29

had a blow job, neither of you, you know what I

1:35:31

mean, and we decided, well, fuck it, you know what I'm saying,

1:35:33

and you know how it goes. But

1:35:36

I ain't gonna talk about that right now, I'm gonna

1:35:38

ruin nobody's life or nothing. You know, after all, he's

1:35:40

a congressman and everything now. He

1:35:44

said his father once said of the Beard

1:35:46

case, maybe that boy did do

1:35:49

it, but I'll tell you something, if you guys

1:35:51

have any more of a clue as to what

1:35:53

happened now than you did then, he's too damn

1:35:55

smart for you and you better just give up,

1:35:57

because you ain't never gonna find out. I

1:36:02

did not shorten any of those words. That is

1:36:04

exactly what the quote is, because you ain't never

1:36:06

going to find out. They

1:36:09

asked the father, they were trying to ask the father

1:36:11

about it and he wouldn't talk to the press because

1:36:13

they were like, did you really say that? John

1:36:16

then says, I'm sorry, I'm not going to

1:36:18

try to hide my intelligence. Oh,

1:36:21

I'm, I need, I'm not going

1:36:23

to dumb it down. I'm not going to dumb anything down for

1:36:26

you guys. For you people, all right? Yeah. I'm

1:36:28

up here, okay? If you want to come up

1:36:30

to my level, then I'll fucking meet you there.

1:36:33

You're left behind. That's how it works,

1:36:35

Chief. So he said,

1:36:37

quote, I'm not going to try to hide

1:36:40

my intelligence. I'm often predisposed to brag about

1:36:42

it. I scored, I scored

1:36:44

a 29 on my ACT, but

1:36:47

along with that intelligence comes the idea, ah,

1:36:49

hell he did it, he's just covering up.

1:36:52

So he says, my intelligence works against me

1:36:54

here. Yeah. Is it, you know?

1:36:57

So now he's in

1:36:59

jail still, and he's expressing his frustration

1:37:01

that he's not allowed out on work

1:37:03

release for this jail sentence. And

1:37:06

he mentioned Kathy by name, saying that the

1:37:08

Valley County attorney was so obsessed with Kathy

1:37:10

Beard that they're not going to let him

1:37:13

out early at all. He

1:37:15

thought that the attorney and other

1:37:17

law enforcement, which he calls later on

1:37:20

in his diaries, the quote, fried eggplant

1:37:22

gang. I don't know what that means.

1:37:24

I have, I don't know

1:37:26

what the fuck he's in. So I'm like, are

1:37:28

they Italian? Is that it? Is it, are they

1:37:30

just, are they just fat? The vegan? Yeah. Are

1:37:34

they fat? Is it some sort of a fucking,

1:37:36

of a racial slur against black people? What the

1:37:38

fuck? Who are you talking about exactly? Yeah. He

1:37:41

can, fried eggplant. Fried eggplant gang. And

1:37:45

as his release date approached, he expressed concern

1:37:47

that law enforcement did not want to let him out

1:37:49

of jail and that he would have to come back.

1:37:52

He says that he wrote about getting rid

1:37:54

of something ASAP in his diary. He

1:37:56

was incarcerated and therefore could not have

1:37:58

any access to Widget. what he wished

1:38:00

to get rid of, and that was two months

1:38:02

from his release. So that'll make sense

1:38:04

in a second when we talk about his diaries.

1:38:06

These are the diaries they found. Yeah, this

1:38:10

is a diary kept between September 89 and

1:38:13

late August 1990. And

1:38:15

they made copies of these writings

1:38:18

and they made sure they were accurate

1:38:20

copies and everything like that. In

1:38:23

there, here it is that he says one of

1:38:25

the things, quote, love that

1:38:27

gut, tummy, belly, abdomen,

1:38:30

stomach, midriff, middle, torso,

1:38:32

et cetera. Holy

1:38:35

shit. He got

1:38:37

himself a thesaurus. Wow. Looked

1:38:39

up every word he loves. By

1:38:42

the way, stomach fetish known

1:38:44

as alvinolagena. That's

1:38:47

a stomach fetish, that's a very specific thing.

1:38:50

I am so jealous, by the way, that

1:38:52

your fucking fetish is something that you could

1:38:55

go to a beach and see thousands of

1:38:57

any time you want. You know what I'm

1:38:59

into? Vaginas and boobs. Chicks

1:39:02

just cover that up, man. They're always covering it

1:39:04

up. They don't just, you get, there's nowhere. No

1:39:06

one has a bare fucking vaginal area. They have

1:39:08

a bare midriff, which you're, the

1:39:11

sky is- And then if you have the

1:39:13

magazines that show that, you're a piece of

1:39:15

shit. Jesus Christ, he could have just been

1:39:17

sitting there whacking it to Britney Spears the

1:39:19

whole time back then. She didn't have her,

1:39:21

she didn't have her stomach exposed for a 10

1:39:24

year period. She could be an

1:39:26

Antarctica, she had a half shirt on. It doesn't matter.

1:39:29

This guy's a dick. The belly,

1:39:31

huh? Maybe that's why

1:39:33

I'm not into it, because it's right there. I

1:39:35

mean, I'm not against it, but I'm not like, yeah, give

1:39:37

me that. I want to see the stuff

1:39:40

you're covering. He hit

1:39:42

every word that's a synonym. That's

1:39:44

all of it. Yeah, he got

1:39:46

thesaurus cranking, man. He

1:39:49

also says, extensive experience comes

1:39:51

with Sandy, Don D, C

1:39:54

B. What is that? Just

1:39:56

the initials, C B. Once

1:39:59

Kathy's- named Kathy with a C beard

1:40:03

and Linda other mediocre

1:40:05

experiences with Robin Kathy there's

1:40:07

another mention of a Kathy

1:40:10

Shirley Shauna Alice

1:40:12

and KP Donna

1:40:15

H Irma s Allison

1:40:18

Rhonda and then in

1:40:20

parentheses from GI 1980 that's Grand Island

1:40:23

I believe 1980 was

1:40:26

he 13 for Christ's sake I think he was born 67 Mary

1:40:30

Jane Teresa 2116 resident

1:40:34

upstairs 1980 yeah he's banging neighbors

1:40:36

this guy was slinging fucking teenage

1:40:38

dick is what he was doing